Forum #3: Book 3: Knights

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    alleydimel
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    Lancelot struggled with his identity as much as you and me do today. Identity is not an easy topic for a lot of people to discuss. In Lancelot’s life he was deemed the best knight at the time. But was he truly satsfied with that? Or did he want something else for his life? He never knew who he really was, only what people told him. In his journey, he discovered God and he became passionate about his belief. With his new found belief, he became humbled. That showed when his son beat him in a joust. He was humbled. He saw that winning was not the only thing in life. He accepted that failure is inveitable. He found himself. He found who he was. He found his identity in Christ, but immediately had a hard time. How could he say no to Elaine and Guinevere? In the end, Lancelot leaves both women. Guinevere understood his motives, but Elaine sadly did not and commited suicide. Lancelot was set free. He pusrsued God and opened new doors along his jouney and he found himself.
    Do you think that his belief helped him make a lot his decisions?

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    #9772
    alleydimel
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    @amelia152016 i do not think that he was selfish in any way. He needed to cut ties to truly find himself. and after all, self happiness and self worth is far more important than anything else. He needed to move and become the man he knew he could be.

    #9773
    alleydimel
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    @taylornicholas13 i belive that they were able to look past that because they knew his heart. they knew he was a good man so appearance did not matter to them.

    #9778
    missloock
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    I like the conversation. Can we go back to the original prompt and make any links to culture?

    Take some time and think about it.

    #9785

    Finding our own identity in life is one of the toughest trials we face. In book 3 Lancelot struggled with this. He went through many tribulations trying to find his identity. As a child Lancelot was a “holy boy”. Lancelot always pushed himself to his very best and kept himself accountable. His identity changed many times in this book. He didn’t realize that he was finding out his identity while facing all of these trials. In this book Lancelot developed a love for Arthur’s wife Guinevere. Lancelot knew this feeling was wrong so he did whatever he could to stop thinking about his feelings for her. He soon met a girl named Elaine and slept with her. Elaine burdened him and he lost his identity while this was happening. After he slept with Elaine he thought he lost his ability to perform miracles. Lancelot thought that he ruined his quest. He came to find out that he can find his identity through God. The thing that was holding him back was that he couldn’t say no to Guinevere or Elaine. Guinevere started to understand that Lancelot wanted to be a man of God, so she let him be his own person. Elaine who was burdening Lancelot sadly committed suicide. This freed up Lancelot so he could focus on God. Lancelot also learned true humility when he lost to his son in a joust. Finding our identity isn’t an easy quest. For some, they find their identity early; For others, they have to face trials to find their identity. Lancelot had to face many trials and he later found his identity in God. Do you think Lancelot would still have found his identity if Elaine didn’t commit suicide?

    #9787

    @davidanthony01 I think Lancelot regrets sleeping with Elaine because that was one of his biggest burdens.

    #9789

    @hallegj I think that Guinevere’s love is stronger for Lancelot because she saw how much he grew and how he found himself.

    #9791
    loganoviatt
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    Lancelot’s goal was to become a courageous knight. He trained for years to reach that sort of identity but was unsatisfied. Along the way, he was distracted by his flesh. He lusted after Guinevere even though Arthur was his friend and king. His lust urged him to a new passion, Elaine. He spent a night with her and she conceived a son. Soon after he indulged his flesh and had an affair with Guinevere. His guilt engulfed him and his identity shattered. Eventually in the end, Lancelot proved to be good at hart by healing the man with his touch. In Today’s society, teenagers are often blinded by superficial things. Physical appearances hold people back and destroy their confidence. Lust can destroy relationships and corrupt good morals. Lancelot finds his true identity in the end. Teenager can find their identity in the end as well. Beliefs materialize with time and character improves also.
    Why do you think ugliness got the best of Lancelot?

    #9792
    loganoviatt
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    @alleydimmel Yes, his belief formed his decisions. He though in his own mind that it was okay to have an affair with Guinevere, and so he acted upon it.

    #9793
    loganoviatt
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    @davidanothony01 He probably wished he could have taken back his first night with Guinevere. He had a taste of his passion wich only made him want it more

    #9802
    sarahjwilcox
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    People today have a struggle with self-identity whether that be the religion you follow to what your social status may be in school. Lancelot is a great example of someone struggling with self-discovery. When he was just a boy he was considered to be a “holy boy” and one of the best knights. He was best friends with King Arthur and King Arthur’s “right-hand man.” Sadly though he falls in love with Guenever, King Arthur’s wife. Lancelot tries to distance himself away but that strengthens his passionate love for Guenever. Then he finds Elaine and sleeps with her for one night and has a son with her. In the end he chooses God and finds his true identity which may be hard for some people to actually find our own true identity.
    Did Guenever actually have an influence in Lancelot’s journey in self-discovery?

    #9803
    sarahjwilcox
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    @ashleyfabella yes, I think his change ultimately made Guenever fall in love with Lancelot because it was clearly not his looks.

    #9804
    sarahjwilcox
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    @davidanthony01 I think one mistake would be the affair between Guenever because he loved King Arthur and having an affair with his wife would be a stab in the back to his best friend.

    #9809
    serrato1
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    As a child Lancelot was always a “holy boy” and tried to keep this image up as long as he could and dedicated himself to knight-hood. For most of his life this is what his identity was placed in. Lancelot always seemed to putting his identity in something never really find who his true self was. Soon he finds himself in a scandal which overtakes his life as well as his identity in his mind. Caught up in this lie and deceitfulness Lancelot finds his world turned upside down and his identity snatched away no longer being able to see himself as a loyal knight/friend or “holy boy”. Hoping to find his identity once again Lancelot embarks on a quest. In chapter 45 Lancelot finds himself in an incident where a wounded man is healed by his touch which apparently only pure and chaste knights are able to perform such miracles. This brings distress upon Lancelot further because it means that all which he identified himself with is untrue or that even all that is reverend is defiled now. Thus making his quest useless in his search for identity. This is like life we often identify ourselves with what we do and who we are with, not in who we truly are or want to be, in doing so when we can no longer identify with that thing or person we lose sight of what is right and true and often things become muddled and ruined. Lust for worldly things often bring us down and without God we cannot find our way back to peace. Do you think Lancelot was his own obstacle of why he lost his identity and couldn’t find it, or the obstacles themselves?

    #9810
    serrato1
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    @hallegj For your first question I do not think so because of the toll it would have taken on both of them mentally, and even if they did get over their love for each other there is always the memory of each other which could either bring regret or memories of love and start those feelings all over again.

    #9819
    dmcluckey
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    Lancelot thought of himself as a “holy boy” when he was younger. Lancelot brought himself up, and became Athur’s right hand man and best friend. Then one day, he fell in love with Guenever. Feeling like he betrayed Arthur, he distanced himself from Guenever. once he stopped seeing Guenever, Lancelot found out his true self. Did Lancelot, thinking he was “holy”, make him a better knight?

    #9820
    dmcluckey
    Member

    @kadenheadington I think it was Elaine’s suicide that made Lancelot find his identity, not pushing away Guenever.

    #9821
    dmcluckey
    Member

    @sarahjwilcox Yes, I think Guenever did have an influence in Lancelot’s self-discovery, by how Lancelot shuts Guenever out of his life, he becomes the knight he was meant to be.

    #9831

    The protagonist in this story did not find a deeper sense of nature, in fact most of them loss a little of themselves. Lancealot did gain something he was seeking. He was seeking to be the most powerful and greatest knight in all of England, and he did, but to get there he had to lose so much of himself that by the end he was so lost and just not himself like we first saw. And Arthur he kind of had a pretty sucky life to begin with but then he became king but then his wife and his best friend cheated on him, he fell for Morgause’s magic and he lost a lot of sense in himself.He gained the whole world but lost his whole soul. At what cost did these men have to go through in order to get what they got at their peak and what ended up of the two. It is pretty depressing actually.In today’s society self-discovery comes to each person depending on their life choices. You can find yourself easily or it can be a tough and hard road. IN some cases you may never find yourself and that can be pretty depressing. Also self-discovery will almost always come at a cost and those willing to sacrifice something will in return potentially find what they are looking for in themselves, but those not willing to sacrifice could have a very difficult time finding themselves.

    #9833

    @sarahjwilcox I do think Guenever had something to do with Lancealot’s self discovery because she was his lover and she also was kind of controlling when he finally went away and tried to take a step back from her.

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