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@kl1214 I do not really feel that he was pressuring her into marriage, but I feel like she was too caught up in the moment that she felt like she had to say yes. On the other hand, if she had more time to think about it, then its possible she could have refused him.
@hallegj He would not strike his former wife Bertha, because he knew that she was crazy and could not control herself
VILLAIN
“You fling me back on lust for a passion-vice for an occupation?” (Chapter 27)
“Jane! will you hear reason?” (he stooped and approached his lips to my ear); “because, if you won’t, I’ll try violence.” (Chapter 27)
Rochester tries to make Jane feel guilty, so she won’t leave, and when she wouldn’t budge, he said he will resort to violence.
Why do you think that Rochester thought it was right to keep Bertha Rochester a secret from Jane for the whole time she was in Thornfield, up until the marriage?@loganoviatt One’s childhood shapes their life for the future as an adult, at least for the most part. In this case, Jane’s childhood does affect her as an adult, so Bronte made sure to include it in her book, and for the 10-year fast forward, I think that either it was a boring period of time, so Bronte decided not to write about it, or Jane did not undergo through any change in those 10 years.
@lizzytrinh I think that Charlotte Bronte may have had a hard time with gender equality in her society because of the way she writes her book. Maybe she lived in a family where her dad was the most prominent figure of the family and told the family to do everything and they had to follow what he said with no choice. If not that personal, then of course the society that she lived in was probably one that holds women lesser to men.
Jane, the protagonist of the book, Jane Eyre, is surrounded by female characters throughout the story. Most of these girls happen to be around the same age as Jane, and in fact, Jane was good friends with most of these, including Helen Burns. But most of these female friends are used to foil Jane, to bring out her personality and characteristics that we might not see otherwise. For example, Helen Burns’ calm and patient personality completely contrasts Jane’s passionate and on-fire personality. Without Burns as a foil for Jane, it is possible that we, as readers, would not get an insight to Jane’s personality. It is possible that we know more about the female characters opposed to the male antagonists because the book was written by a woman, Charlotte Bronte. Gender inequalities were very big during the time this book was written, so Bronte may have written about the roles in reverse, or at least a world where females were equal to men. The story of Jane Eyre is to try and show that women have some of the characteristics that men have. They are strong, courageous, responsible, brave, and many other traits. Our view of Jane’s world might change according to the perspective it was written in, which was a feministic perspective. We might then take approach the book more carefully and less open-minded in the view of a woman, that is if the reader is male. Do you think that Jane Eyre’s writer, Charlotte Bronte, wrote this book just to say that a female is capable of writing as well?
@dmcluckey Most gods in Greek mythology are believable, which is why the Greeks have done a terrific job in creating these myths. The Greeks have not really made a “perfect” god, they all have good and bad things about them. But I think Demeter is a very believable god. Demeter lives on earth and is the goddess of corn and harvest. She causes our crops to grow well and be plentiful, but she gets sad during four months of the year because Hades, the god of the underworld, takes Demeter’s daughter to the underworld. During these four months, Demeter mourns and leaves our field barren which is the Greek’s explanation of winter.
@lizzytrinh I think that none of the Greek gods are perfect, they have their pros and cons. For example, Hercules is very strong and brave, but he lacks self-control and intelligence. As they sometimes say, all brawn and no brains.
Why do we mythologize? I chose ++ Myths explain the unexplained. They reveal our fate after death, and the reasons for crises or miracles, and other puzzles — and yet they retain and even encourage an aura of mystery. Myths also satisfy our need to understand the natural world; for example, they might state that a drought is caused by an angry deity. This purpose of mythology was especially important before the advent of modern science, which offered the Big Bang theory to replace creation myths, and it gave us the theory of evolution to supplant myths regarding the genesis of humanity. And yet, science creates its own mythology (mythome.org).
I believe the above statement best justifies why we mythologize. What caused my crops to grow this summer? Ahhh… it must have been the gods. Humans want to know everything. Mankind wants knowledge and wisdom, but we cannot know everything which is why the Greeks made myths so we can “know” everything, but not all of these myths are to be taken literally because most of them are not historically or scientifically accurate. But we use mythology to learn through imagination as we read about the gods. So my question to you is, what did cause my crops to grow this summer? Just kidding. What type of Mythology does Edith Hamilton’s Mythology contain? (Primitive, Pagan, Sacred, Scientific, Cosmic, Theistic, Hero, Place and Object, etc.)
@hampizza Arthur was a great king, but I believe he did not reach his full potential. There were many things that he decided not to be “conscience” about. For example, he knew in his heart that Guinevere and Lancelot were having an affair, but he lied to himself that his best friend would not do that to him. If Arthur addressed the problem with the affair earlier, then his conscience would have been cleared, so better decision making, and could have avoided a war….
@kadenheadington If Arthur had never been tutored by Merlyn, then there might have been others who would have made a better king. But because of Merlyn’s tutoring and Arthur being a kind, compassionate child, I believe there would have been no one else better suited to be King of England
I believe that this quote from T. H. White’s The Goshawk, helps represent the characters in the novel, The Once and Future King. The speaker in The Goshawk is asked why he is wasting his talents feeding wild birds with dead rabbits instead of getting ready for war. This relates to Arthur in The Once and Future King. Since Arthur was adopted by Sir Ector, and Kay was Sir Ector’s biological son and was older than Arthur, Kay would be knighted over Arthur, and Arthur was to be Kay’s squire. Little did anyone know, that Arthur was to be the King of England and was heir to the throne after Uther Pendragon. Merlyn was the only person who knew of Arthur’s talent and potential, and he tutored Arthur more than Kay, and Arthur was to be Kay’s squire. The moment that Arthur pulled the sword from the stone, his childhood had ended because he had to be the king now. In other words, no more shooting rabbits, Arthur had to move up and shoot people. This also relates to many others, like Lancelot, Agravaine, and Galahad. Lancelot wanted to be a knight of Arthur’s famous Round Table which he did, but he also became Arthur’s best friend and the greatest knight King Arthur had. Agravaine is an example of wasted talent. If Agravaine could have controlled his anger and violence, he could have become a great knight, but he was always too caught up in getting revenge on others. He even killed his mother in blind rage for sleeping with another man that was not their father. We know that Galahad unhorsed Lancelot, who is the greatest knight ever, but he goes away with the Holy Grail and we do not hear of him again. Galahad would have been a great asset if stayed and fought for King Arthur and his Round Table. Why do you think T. H. White made Agravaine, Galahad, and many others a wasted talent?
@alexharakas Lancelot’s biggest regret should be his affair with Guinevere. He strived to be a loyal, wise, strong, caring, person but he lost most of it when deciding to sleep with Guinevere. Also, King Arthur was one of Lancelot’s dearest friend, but his temptations were too much. Even when he had wanted to change his life around, he never confronted King Arthur about the affair.
@kantakato1 As a child, Lancelot was a man set out for great things, but he fell into temptations which led him away from achieving his greatest potential. Lancelot’s decision to turn his life around nearer to the end of his life was the right decision
Throughout Book III, Lancelot struggled through a major identity crisis. Lancelot was a “holy boy” and he had very high standards. He wanted to be known as the greatest knight of all time. Lancelot strived to be great and he looked up to King Arthur. Lancelot went on many quests and achieved the title that he longed for, the “greatest knight”. Lancelot was one of the Knights of the Round Table, and he made very good friends with King Arthur, but Lancelot instantly fell in love with Queen Guinevere. The Queen ignored Lancelot at first, but they soon became lovers. Lancelot goes on more quests and he meets Elaine, who tricks Lancelot and they have a son, Galahad. The queen figures out about this and Lancelot starts to go mad. Lancelot’s identity starts to crumble into pieces. He decides he must atone for his sins and sets out for a quest for the Holy Grail. He decides he must become a man of God and pursue his true identity, but the temptations of Guinevere and Elaine never leave him. In modern society, it can be hard to find our own identities and purpose in our life. Like Lancelot, we might think that we are set out for greater things, but the temptations of life will always hold us back. In the end, Elaine has commit suicide which severs Lancelot and her ties, and Queen Guinevere allows Lancelot to be his own man. If Elaine had never tricked Lancelot, do you think he would be in the position he is now?
@ashleyfabella Yes, I believe that there is such a thing as too much humor, but not in the case of The Once and Future King. In my opinion, there might be too little humor, but what T. H. White has is enough to my liking
@kantakato1 I believe that the story would be very dull if it were written in just one tone, but that is only my point of view. T. H. White was very smart in adding a good amount of humor in good spots during the story.
Humor is an important aspect of society. Imagine if we were born without a sense of humor, then the world would be a much duller place. T. H. White had a great sense of humor when writing this book. He turned an otherwise dark legend into a more light-hearted one. For example, in Chapter XXI of Book I, Merlyn turns Arthur into a badger and Arthur meets one of Merlyn’s best friends, the Badger. Arthur meets with the Badger so that he can learn something new. The Badger has written a treatise that represents the dominion and responsibility of man and he recites it to Arthur. The Badger says that we all started off as embryos and then God said that we can each ask for three different specializations to our phenotypical characteristics. Many of the other embryos changed, but there was one embryo who said that he wanted to stay the same, the way that God had created him to be, and that was Man. This is a type of humor because we are seeing the species differentiation from an animal’s point of view. We also see some humor in Chapter X of Book II when Sir Grummore and Palomides dress up as the Questing Beast in order to try and help their depressed friend, King Pellinore. The plan ends up backfiring on them because the real Questing Beast has come and falls in love with the artificial Questing Beast. These are the humorous moments that help lighten up the story. White uses humor to help us from not getting too bored and to help us digest the downfall of King Arthur better. Without humor being a part of this story, it would be hard to pick up the book and continue reading. Humor will forever have a place in classic literature. Do you think the type of humor we have today would make any sense back in King Arthur’s era?
@kl1214 I believe that Kay and Arthur definitely have a stronger bond than the Orkney brothers. Even though Kay and Arthur had their moments when they fought, they still found a way to become friends again. The Orkney brothers quarreled and fought, and at one point Gawaine almost killed Agravaine.
@sarahjwilcox I think that Mordred will never get along with his other brothers because they are only half-brothers and the age difference is so far apart.
